You Asked For It, Jordan

We are posting a comment we received from noreply Jordan and our responses because we think it might be instructive. Jordan has included excerpts from our post in quotation marks. Our responses to Jordan are in bold italics.

Jordan has left a new comment on your post "The Sexualizing of Savannah":

"The gay lifestyle, besides being naturally sterile, oversexed, and basely pornographic[…]"

I suspect you have fixated on selective, hypersexualised, sensationalised media portrayals of gay people  . . .

Dear Jordan, 

We don't know of any "hypersexualized, sensationised media portrayals of gay people" today. Do you mean as seen on maybe movies like Deliverance from 1972 where the homosexual characters were murderous backwoods homosexual rapists? That was 45 years ago and times have changed.

The great majority of the media today, let's say 99.9 % of it, which most everyone including you consumes and is influenced by, portrays gays as the smartest, most attractive, most lovable, most talented, most courageous people you know, who only want to love who they want to love, whose sexual proclivities are harmless. You seem to be saying our sources are not accurate, but how accurate is the mainstream media? The truth about gay sexual behaviors is overlooked, whitewashed, and silenced. Only by seeking out  selective (your word) information from nonmainstream sources can anyone hear anything true about the homosexual lifestyle today. We suppose anyone could see it on the debauched streets of San Francisco, or in hospitals where people are suffering and dying of AIDS, which are all really happening and not hypersexualized, sensationalized media portrayals. But most people see and hear only what they want to see and hear.

Listen to this man's sad story. People didn't warn him and now he is beyond miserable. Is this real person  fixated on some exaggerated, sensationalized portrayal of the gay scene? No, it's all around him and he's actually living it, and it's a destructive hypersexualized reality, plus a lot of other bad stuff that goes with it. Do you have any compassion for him?

. . . and don't have many close gay friends. Otherwise, you surely would know that most gay people's lives that are just as mundane and boring as most straight people's.

We get it. You're saying that gays go about their day-to-day lives much the same as straights. Yes, everybody's life is made up of mostly ordinary stuff; people brushing their teeth and putting gas in their cars. But this does not mean people don't think and do plenty of other things that need correcting or are dangerous or destructive or illegal. People can appear normal in public and be sociopaths in private. Your vaporous point belittles a serious problem and is a diversion from the issue: Is homosexuality right or wrong, wholesome and harmless or base and destructive?

Incidentally, we're sorry you think most people's lives are mundane and boring. Ours aren't! God has given His children so much goodness and beauty and truth to learn about and enjoy, and in these modern times of ease and convenience we have more time than ever to do it. People who allow themselves to get bored in this amazing world today set themselves up to get into, well, stuff like sex, as in pornography and all things LGBTQ.  Whatever else it is, gayness is also another method of rebellion against the establishment for bored, ungrateful, irresponsible people of all ages.  

If I were to go by similar portrayals of heterosexuals, I would probably conclude you are all hypocritical, licentious adulterers! That wouldn't be at all fair or accurate, so of course, I don't. I'd appreciate it if you could also be fair to me.

Yes, well, there are plenty of heterosexual, hypocritical, licentious adulterers around. But there's a huge difference. Naughty heterosexuals are not parading themselves in the streets, demanding special treatment and protection from government, institutionally teaching their proclivities to school children, insinuating their sins into churches, and intimidating and suing and punishing anyone who doesn't celebrate their sexual behaviors. Gays do all of the above. Defending and promoting their sexual lifestyle is something gays regularly do. It's everywhere. Can you see that you have done this same sort of thing in your comment?

What's fair and right is to point out what is actually happening. Gays are the ones actively and publicly promoting and defending their sexual proclivities, pushing all things LGBTQ on everybody else--kids, schools, churches, government, you name it. As a homosexualist, you are doing this yourself. Heterosexuals, bad as some are, are not doing this. Where are the Straight Pride parades? Apparently that's much too boring for the unlimited sex revelries of the day.

"…fraught with greatly increased physical, emotional, and spiritual dangers."

Imagine how it would feel if someone called you a pervert because they didn't approve of your husband. Imagine if they said your lifestyle was "basely pornographic". Really think about how that would feel, to read someone saying that about you. Wouldn't you be horrified? It's not the sort of thing a polite, civil person says. It's breathtakingly rude, and I'd expect you to be as offended as I am.

Here we need a little talk about the birds and the bees. There is one right and many wrongs about sex. It's biological. It's medical. It's Biblical. It's ingrained in medicine, human experience, art, history, theology, and literature. Proper sexual intercourse occurs  between a male and female who are unselfish and kind and committed to each other in other ways besides sex. If a healthy male is necessarily patient, the healthy female body prepares itself for sexual intercourse that is painless and harmless. (Male homosexuals don't need any patience.) In the one correct use of sex the only possible significant physical change would be pregnancy in the female in which an entirely unique human being would form and be born, because that is what the human sexual instinct's primary purpose is. On the other hand, homosex, which of course includes sodomy, is maladaptive. Sorry, it hurts your body. Certain body parts do not respond well to the act of sodomy. In truth, gays must not really love each other because they are harming each other's bodies. People who love each other don't physically harm each other on purpose. Sex is serious; if misused somebody gets hurt. 

Ask any doctor who treats gays. They have gross chronic health problems and contract life-shortening diseases that those who treat sex properly don't ever have. Sex as described above is never harmful whereas gay sex is always harmful. It isn't natural or normal. That's why we say it's pornographic. The nature of porn is that it is exaggerated/ phony/kinky/selfish/sadistic, etc. If you do not recognize this, you have reached a point where you are past proper feeling. You can always repent and turn to the Lord. The Spirit can teach you the truth of all things.

It is too bad that a couple of grandparents like us here at SoL have to point out these sensitive things. All experts and leaders should be doing it but they aren't. It may not seem polite or civil to those who are squeamish or in denial, but what we say is true and important for people to know. It is actually very civilized to point out something that threatens civilization. Sex used to be private. But the sex movement has made it very public. Now, polite, civil people have to speak up. And yes, that is the right thing to do. Wouldn't you warn a person who was walking on the very edge of a cliff with his eyes closed? You might even risk your own safety to save them. That sounds more than polite and civil. True, what we say offends you because it doesn't fit in with your choices. But truth often does that. A friend of ours says, "Truth is hate to people who hate truth." We love people enough to risk them being offended and not liking us. 

One of the greatest dangers we face is people who say offensive and prejudicial things about us and fight to deny us protection or a place in society. Their views are refracted in dozens of ways, from subtle scorn to painful legal challenges and outright violence.

Okay, these are a bunch of gay activist talking points that don't hold water. It's propaganda. Looks like you are getting some very sensationalized info in very select places! 


Really? Offensive and prejudicial things people say about you is one of the greatest dangers you face? Ever heard of sticks and stones? Show us where gays don't have protection or a place in society today. They are getting everything they want. Everybody fawns all over them. Huge huge huge amounts of money and pressure are behind the gay movement. It has upended an entire generation's way of life. It has destroyed the true meaning of the words mother, father, husband, wife, marriage, family, parents. Show us the painful legal challenges and the violence gays face. There aren't any. The ones cited were proven to be made up. There are even laws now more seriously punishing anyone who commits any crime if it's against a gay person. Gay people are more protected than anybody else on the planet right now.

Let's talk about where the scorn is coming from these days. How about the lesbians who singled out certain Christian bakers to order their wedding cake from, and when they politely declined the lesbians sued them and they lost their business? Who got hurt there? The bakers lost their livelihood and were fined, and the lesbians said they lost some, well, sleep? Plus they got thousands of dollars from the Christian bakers. All this, because a couple of lesbians targeted some Christians and pretended to be harmed by their beliefs! There are plenty of other places to get wedding cakes. That is just plain toxic. There are many such incidents where ordinary people are being targeted and punished by intolerant gays and their homosexualist allies.  

Have you considered how many LGBT people hear and are hurt by that kind of thoughtless and abusive language? How many are made homeless by their parents? How many are pushed into trying to change… but can't? How many are verbally or physically attacked by people who would absolutely agree with much of what you're saying?

Have YOU considered how many ordinary people hear and are hurt by the things you are saying? How many school children are being taught homosexuality? How many decent people are being propagandized and intimidated and pushed into changing their deeply-held beliefs? How many are verbally or physically attacked by people like you? We ourselves have received death wishes and terroristic threats. Clearly,the shoe is now on the other foot.

Again, show us where any of what you say is really happening. Hardly anybody is saying anything against gayness these days. They are too afraid! So much for freedom. All we see and hear about parents these days is that they are brought around to homosexualism by their gay kids, or at least act like it. And by the way, no one is forcing you to read our little blog. It just sits here for people to look at if they want to. Even so, they have to seek it out. Why are you seeking it out? Could it be that you are not really hurt or offended, but are an activist trying to intimidate us into abandoning our beliefs and shutting up?

Even if gays do hear something they don't like, why are they such babies about it? People are supposed to be allowed to express their moral and religious beliefs, yes, even if people don't agree with them, and yes, even if they come across as "bigots" to other people. Have you never seen the TV show All in the Family? Archie Bunker didn't express himself well and was often a jerk, yes, but he was allowed to be one and often suffered the consequences. This is called freedom. Trust us, you don't want that taken away. 

Here is a reality check. The history of mankind is against homosex. And a few millennials/sexual revolutionaries in one generation are arrogant enough to think they can change the basic values and wisdom of all mankind!

Assuming your son is currently happy, you are very lucky. Many parents are not. Some push their children away, losing their love and company. Others are extremely unlucky—for example, poor Leelah Alcorn's. I'm honestly glad things worked out well for you and your son, and would be very sad for you both if they had not.

Thank you. But you do know you are admitting that people can change if they want to bad enough. Luck has nothing to do with it. Changing your mind and real repentance is hard, humbling work. It is too bad the boy you mention took his own life. Luck had nothing to do with that either. It was a choice or mental illness or both. And there must have been something much worse wrong in his head than playing dress-up. If, like you said, gays' lives are mundane and boring, why was his mere self-sexual identity important enough to die for? Who put the horrific idea of suicide in his head? Oh, that's right, the gay activists did! They play that card incessantly. And it sure gives kids terrible ideas.

The truth is, for acting-out youth full of curiosity and hormones, sex can actually be a huge part of life, playing in their heads constantly. And it's anything but mundane and boring. It's addictive, compulsive, thrilling, and must be accelerated to keep it interesting. We are obviously not hearing the whole story about the boy you mention. That's how gay activists want it. They exploit everything to get gain. Despicable.

I am happy that you are happy with your life. I would be happier if you could be kinder and more thoughtful, and consider that you are talking about real human beings with the capacity for love, respect—and offence. 

You are saying here that we at SoL need to be kinder and more thoughtful of the tender feelings of gays. But you say this without owning the harmful gay ideas and behaviors. If you are involved in it, you have to own it. (Again, you are promoting your bad behaviors, whereas heterosexual adulterers and the like are not.) You can't fool us. We know what this stuff is about. Our kid was hurt by the whole homosex thing. By fine upstanding members of the church with their temple marriage pictures on the wall! For all we know you are one of those who abused our son. We haven't heard you deny that you behave in this way. We haven't heard you say you don't use porn. We haven't heard you say you don't initiate and sodomize people. Even if you don't do these things you are defending them because it's all part and parcel of the gay life and you know it.

Again, if you are truly sincere and don't see all of what you've gotten yourself into, you need to take stock. All we've heard is a bunch of vaporous, victimy talking points crafted to make people think you are put upon and don't do anything wrong. So let's be intellectually honest here. Being gay is more than an identity. It's more than living your regular mundane life. It's more than role playing being "married" to your "husband." It's about very bad sexual lusts and behaviors and rationalizing those destructive, sinful pleasures, and then imagining yourself morally superior to people like us and feeling emboldened enough to lecture us.

And about this giving of offense. Is not offending anyone the highest morality? Is making sure you don't hurt anybody's feelings the ultimate in human striving?  That would be ridiculous and impossible. One, because we're imperfect; everybody offends and get offended. Two, because people take offense when none is meant. And three, because there is opposition in all things. In addition, some people, who are wrong or dangerous, deserve to get their feelings hurt. 

And furthermore, who gets to decide what hurts whose feelings? 

What you really mean is that not offending gays is the highest morality. Apparently, we are hurting your feelings but you don't think you are capable of hurting others'. Just so you know, the unsolicited things you have said in this comment are very critical and potentially hurtful. If we wanted to we could be very offended. You have called our words "thoughtless and abusive." You have called us "breathtakingly rude." All merely because we have a different worldview than you, which is based on God and His objective standards for human behavior held since the beginning of humankind. We try to be truthful and helpful, though some may not like it. We study and work hard on this stuff.  We want the eternal best for everyone. We are motivated by love of God and our fellow man. Our mission is quite costly and we aren't rich. In other words, we are sacrificing a great amount of resources for this cause. You don't think your words might be hurtful to us? 

If not hurting people's feelings is the highest morality, you have committed immoral acts just as you say we have. If not hurting people's feelings were the highest morality, there would be no discipline of children, no rules, no tests, no grading systems, no try-outs, no talents, no valuing of  health or beauty, no Ten Commandments, no differing beliefs, no courts, no punishments, no jails, no justice. But this doesn't happen. There is always some entity that attains authority which makes the rules, benevolent or nonbenevolent.  That's why it's best to stick with God and His rules. Trust us, you are going to want God in charge.

It would help you if you could separate people, which are of immeasurable spiritual worth, from their temporal ideas and behaviors, which are often wrong, worthless, wicked, and even dangerous. This is something we had to learn about when we faced this issue. This is something God does. His love for us is unconditional, which is separate from the fact that He has rules that have consequences. If there were no law, there would be no God, neither would we exist. God so loved us that He sent His Son to die for us so we can be forgiven if we repent. 

Yes, people are involved in homosexuality, and we expose the deception and dangers. If you are honest you can see that this is the kind thing to do. (Even gays admit HIV/AIDS is a gay disease. Young people especially need to know the potential risks as per the CDC.) We don't worry that we are called names and even have our lives threatened. True charity is not self-centered and so does not take offense. You say you are offended by our blog, so where is your charity? We'll tell you where it is. You have been so deceived by gay rhetoric, which has been reinforced by your own homosexual behaviors, that you make yourself a victim of  "unkindness" by anybody you can find, when it's you who are responsible for your own bad choices and behaviors.  

Whatever your motives in writing to us, we hope you will think about where you have gotten your attitudes and honestly examine what you say and do. You are of great worth and we hope the very best for you.

Living in Occupied Territory

The world changing doesn't mean it's changing for the better. Big shifts in a people's behaviors and ideas and values may be for the better---or for the worse. As C. S, Lewis wrote, when these shifts are based on the whims of men, and not on God's ageless rules and principles, the "new morality" is arbitrary and usually nonbenevolent toward humankind. Anyone with a cursory knowledge of human history knows that. 

We like Matt Walsh's phrase used to describe traditional, God-loving people trying to carry on in society today: We are living in occupied territory. No, we are not hemmed in and physically brutalized or carted off by uniformed men with guns and tanks. So far it's a war of principalities and powers, an attempt at a toxic, tyrannical takeover of the human mind and what it knows to be wise and right. Amid all of today's technology and convenience and ease and pleasure and entitlement, or perhaps partly because of those luxuries, a great swath of society has become an inhumane, anti-Christ dystopia where self-will and sexual licentiousness are respected above all else. Human posterity is despised and the sexual instinct whereby humanity reproduces is corrupted and exploited beyond recognition or sanity. George Orwell said that societies must insist on strict rules for sexual morality as the price of civilization. Civilization as we know it has been forfeited. Barbarians, wolves in sheep's clothing, have taken over.

What does this look like?

Unborn babies, conceived by free will, are brutally destroyed in their own mothers' wombs by the multi-millions. The purpose of the God-given human sex drive, to reproduce and make families, once modeled and treated so tenderly and respectfully, and carefully kept within strict bounds, is prostituted. Young people, even children, are targeted by those in power and authority, objectified sexually, and encouraged to experiment with any and all variations of sexual behavior and opposite-sex role playing. And the two sexes, male and female, are disguised beyond recognition in 92 (and counting) incomprehensible, bizarre, and outrageous invented costumes,where they are paraded in the public city streets.

What this means is that the current new regime---a society that, no matter what pious-sounding words are used, most certainly worships itself rather than God, that makes up its own rules based on the worst in human nature and the whims and fads of the moment, that cares more about being popular with each other and gratified in this world, all developments of which are definitely nonbenevolent toward mankind---has, for all intents and purposes, taken over the land. And this is no passive movement.

Those who hold fast to God, truth, reality, goodness, and health, are now The Opposition, Enemies of the State. Based on their supposedly protected religious and moral beliefs, they are ignored, censored, called names, shunned, demonized, sued, punished, fined, and jailed. They cannot be tolerated. They must be intimidated, even forced, to keep quiet, to be persuaded, and to comply. An accurate name for this is fascism.

When true principles are cast off in favor of such arbitrary whims as we've seen take root and malevolently proliferate today, what happens it that evil is called good and good is gossiped about as the worst kind of evil. Is it any wonder that sodomy--sterile, maladaptive, and pathological---is the new intercourse, the words mother and father are being stricken from public forums, homosexuality is preached from pulpits, couples who don't support homosexuality are being told they cannot be foster parents while homosexuals are free to foster and adopt children into the homosexual model, men pose as women and women as men, people have doctors mangle their healthy bodies to try to match their tortured minds, and doctors, who wish to save lives, are being coerced to perform or recommend the murder of unborn babies, or lose their licenses?

Those who value freedom, family, God, and religion, who know by education and experience that traditional morality has proven a safe and beneficial guideline for the human race, must retreat underground. George Orwell also said, "In a time of universal deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act." We are revolutionaries. We are the resistance. We speak and write the truth and print it however we can, come what may. In barbaric Nazi-occupied Europe this was called samizdat, clandestine copying and distribution of literature banned by the state, literally meaning "I self-publish."

But the resistance is small. Most people have shut their eyes, ears, and mouths quite voluntarily.  They are too used to following blindly, too afraid to find out they have been led astray, to sheepish to question the powers that be, in a state of denial that they have been let down by those they trust, too invested in this world. They have put their trust in human beings rather than God.

Strange to say, many people actually think this world here is heaven, rather than what it really is: the telestial kingdom or hell, or at least hell-like in many ways. (See C. S. Lewis, The Abolition of Man) We're being tested. We're supposed to be learning. We're choosing whom we will follow, Christ or Satan, and where we want to spend eternity.

Everybody needs to take Blaise Pascal's famous wager. Which will you wager on: God or no God? If you wager there is no God, and consequently live a prideful/depraved life, and then it turns out there is no God, you'll go to oblivion and never know the difference. You wagered your life and ended up with absolutely nothing. But if you wager there is a God and live accordingly, you gain everything. Pascal says that only a moron would bet his life on ending up with nothing when he could bet his life on ending up with everything.

But alas, our occupied territory is Godless, as fascist occupied territories before it have been. If God is mentioned, He is made over into whatever this or that human being wants him to be. Even many who pose as Christian turn out to be gushy admirers of Jesus the man, but not true and humble followers of our essential divine Redeemer. Still, in every regime there are always revolutionaries, underground if need be. In this case, they are those who will carry on as best they can to keep the faith and truly love their neighbor by raising a warning voice and declaring the unpopular truth in any way they can.

As per mormonandgay Savannah Should Have Her Say!

Since the 12-year-old came out as a lesbian in church as reported in our previous post, The Sexualizing of Savannah, we are reposting "Meet the Gay Mormons" below from 10/25/16 with several paragraphs added illuminating the pro-gay stance of the official LDS Church as per its web page, mormonandgay.lds.org. Funny how most Mormons have probably never seen this web page, or thought about it much. It's a big deal. Maybe it should be required reading. Maybe people need to face what is happening in their own church, make of it what they will.

First a little intro. At mormonandgay.lds.org several Mormon gays were recruited to be filmed telling their pro-gay sexuality stories for all the world to see and sympathize with. So why was young Savannah's mic cut off and she told to sit down? This is a fair question. She was doing exactly what they do on this official web page.

With encouragement like this, what do people expect to happen in church meetings, yes, where youth and children are present? Granted, there are no gay minors shown on mormonandgay. But nowhere are any such lines drawn either. See photo of Savannah at a gay pride parade/festival. People need to know that there are always lots of kids at these sexual exhibitionist events. Sad to say, Savannah herself has been immersed by adults in this adult perverse sexuality to the point where she has no qualms pushing the idea of homosexuality onto other children. Pushing unlimited sexuality on children is the crux of the gay agenda. They can't reproduce so they must recruit. Gays are also known to be highly predatory. Initiating the young is commonplace in this lifestyle. Case in point: Savannah.

By the way, Savannah's prepared speech, pretty much written by her parents,or rather her mother and her "other parent" (what's that all about?), specifically insists she can't make anybody gay by association. Interesting how gays often make this strange assertion, at the same time very publicly glorifying their lifestyle. They turn themselves into a flashy, attention-getting advertisement for homosexuality, and then assure people it won't spread! What? Selling something is what advertising and web sites and propaganda and pornography are all about. The question is, what are you peddling, something worthwhile and true and good, or the opposite? Savannah, in her boy's shirt and tie (we guess this is a passive-aggressive nose-thumbing at proper gender roles), coached by adults, is introducing a destructive idea about human sexuality she says is perfectly fine---from the pulpit. Why wouldn't others, especially vulnerable children like herself, be motivated to entertain and explore that idea? It's like seeing a commercial for a juicy hamburger and becoming interested or curious or hungry, which motivates you to go out and find and buy and try that exact hamburger. People do such things every day.   

Still don't believe the Church is so very pro-gay these days? Yes, it still takes a bit of a stand against gay marriage (in a handbook at the back of leaders' desks), but many members, even very vocal/well-known members, are now for gay marriage, which stance appears to be perfectly fine with the leadership. But there's a whole world of gayness that has nothing to do with the fake marriage spectacle. That was just a stratagem to further the agenda. People need to think about what's going on on mormonandgay. Read on.

Meet the Gay Mormons (Revisited)

Note: Apparently, not all church leaders agree on certain aspects of this issue, nor do members. We at SoL have been given to understand that strong differing opinions are understood and tolerated within the church. SoL's view is not based on current cultural trends and sentimental human relations and  emotional stories but on Scripture, universally true principles, real charity, and timeless objective moral standards that come from God. 

The following is our response to the new page, mormonandgay.lds.org. And we've also been reading some of the responses from the other side. It seems this is yet another effort to make everyone happy which has resulted in nobody being made happy, at least not the ones who take this issue seriously. It's astonishing that the Word of God does not have the first, middle, and last word. The Bible is absolutely clear about homosexual lusts and behaviors being wicked and repentance through Christ being available and necessary to all who care about God and eternal life. We think Mormon homosexualists know that they are at opposition with Scripture, as in the Standard Works, as in the Standard for the regulation and spiritual growth of all immortal souls. It looks like they have to work very hard to justify their moral relativism and denial of the plain and precious gospel, God's plan, which comprises sin and possible repentance and redemption through Christ. It doesn't matter if people are born that way, which they aren't, or not; these lusts and all degrees of behaviors are destructive and sinful. Sex and sexuality are serious; if misused somebody gets hurt.

Here are some of our specific thoughts about this mormonandgay.lds,org.

This page boasts diverse individuals' stories but neglects to show any of the people who have resisted and overcome homosexuality. (We know plenty and have ourselves published two books on this subject, My Darling From the Lions and Captain of My Soul, highly endorsed and prefaced by experts, yet rejected by leading LDS publisher Deseret Book. D.B.'s books on this topic are gay-affirming and have no expert endorsements. Make of that what you will.)

Christ's gospel of sin, repentance, and redemption is not emphasized, rather it argues in favor of the human will and the weakness of homosexual lust.

The Atonement is mischaracterized as something that can make us comfortable with our sinfulness rather than humbling and changing and purifying our desires.

The dark, broken, rebellious, pornographic, addictive, promiscuous, narcissistic, dangerous world of homosexual lust and how people get into it is completely ignored.

Homosexuality is portrayed as a harmless orientation rather than a disorder or sin. (Why would a girl be interrupted in her advocating of lesbianism in testimony meeting if lesbianism is harmless? No one official has said this is inappropriate to say in church. It's on the Church's website!)

Homosexual behaviors, supposedly still prohibited, are not clearly defined. Therefore, any individual or ward leader can choose to put up boundaries, or not, anywhere they please.

Mormon gays are shown as sympathetic characters because they are not officially allowed the full perverse and dangerous physical homosexual contacts they desire, although these are not defined. Again, all of this is up to untrained local leaders to define and discipline or not.)

No concern is shown for the obvious depravity or emotional and mental illnesses of the gays highlighted, or gays in general. How unkind is that?

"Authenticity," as in embracing the natural man as is and sharing one's feelings, is considered the highest value and most helpful attribute. Not reality, not truth, not goodness, not virtue, not humility, not repentance, not forgiveness, not improvement, not learning, not growing, not love of God and His word. Just authenticity. Who is to say Savannah's "testimony" was not "authentic?" So why did they cut her mic? The truth is, authenticity of itself isn't worth much. A serial killer is authentic. Thieves are authentic. So what? What matters is what you believe in; if it's right or wrong, good or bad. It is incredible that certain people's trendy pro-gay stories, which all sound pretty much the same, are held in the highest esteem by many, regardless of holy scripture and regardless of the crimes or causes or illnesses behind these stories. In reality these stories are not authentic at all; that's why we put it in quotation marks. At best they are memorized talking points, whitewashing, denial, incomplete, deceptive, and justification for sin.

Mormonandgay offers zero help for healing from horrific child sexual abuse, as in the sad case of Ricardo. He explains how at a very young age he was seduced and initiated into homosex by predatory older males, which he admits had a huge influence on him (and obviously interfered with normal sexual development). Astonishingly, the story is apparently included to convince us to embrace this person's resulting choice for a homosexual lust identity rather than to show evidence of serious crimes against him as a child and his ruined life. He says that sharing his feelings helped him see that "nothing is broken or needs to be fixed." Oh really?

There appears to be some disconnect on what sexual purity and healthy sexuality actually are as in the case of lesbian Laurie who says, "The gospel has not made me attracted to men. But it has helped me be attracted to one man." What? Aren't we all supposed to keep our sexual attraction focused on one person---our spouse? This statement shows some seriously obsessive wrong-headedness by way of sexually objectifying human beings in general. It seems that gays/lesbians walk into a room and see sex and sexuality, not people.

The greatest available comfort for gays is shown to be, not God's love and truth, repentance through Christ, and spiritual guidance, but human relations by way of venting one's feelings on others. How well does this work? Tanya tells about her son who was so relieved to "come out" but who was still so depressed that he only lasted 5 months on his 2-year mission. Once home he was put in a ward leadership position! This is how we deal with spiritual death and sexual sin and confusion and mental illness? 

Perhaps the most disturbing part of this web page concerns the now popular worldview of professional therapy for gays. In a nutshell, LDS therapists are instructed to confirm the gay person's gayness, regardless of any previous abuse, underlying trauma, or pathology, regardless of the Hippocratic oath, regardless of the therapist's knowledge, experience, and life's work, regardless of his convictions about God or morality and his constitutionally protected right to exercise them, regardless even of a client's fervent wish to repent, heal, and change! Not only is this website saying: Be gay but don't actually live gay, but to the therapists it is saying: Be Christian but don't actually live Christian. This is what is called crazy-making. Thomas Jefferson called it tyranny over the mind of man.

An enlarged, colored pull-quote from the website states: "When one seeks therapy, the Church recommends approaches that respect 'client self-determination.'" (The way they have put 'client self-determination' in quotes is right! Gayness is a personal whim, a huge fad in today's world, that has no biological, scientific, or medical diagnosis.) In others words, when a proudly self-determined gay person (who probably has much worse problems that will now go unaddressed) is looking for some sort of validation or resolving of conflict between their religion and their popular homosexual proclivities, church leaders recommend they find a therapist who will respect their popular homosexual proclivities. This is not help! That is encouraging that person toward misery, high-risk behaviors, and yes, hell.


Please note that there is no mention of any kind about therapists helping a person heal and change and overcome homosexuality, even if that is what they seek!  "While shifts in sexuality can and do occur for some people, it is unethical to focus professional treatment on an assumption that a change in sexual orientation will or must occur." Even though they include this statement: "The individual has the right to define the desired outcome," it obviously refers only to gay-affirmation. How clever and cunning. Apparently, from this web page we are to believe that change from homosexuality is not something that will or must happen, and yet it has happened and God says it must happen! No unclean thing, especially a dirty mind or sullied soul, can dwell in God's presence. For the honest person who has become involved in the sleaze of homosexuality and is miserable, this is nothing short of cruel. And they go on, digging ever deeper holes: "For someone who experiences same-sex attraction, or identifies as gay, counseling may help the person approach his or her sexuality in healthier, more fulfilling ways." What health and fulfillment can come from homosexuality, especially when the church prohibits acting on it??? More crazy-making! What is really occurring here, whether leaders know it or not, is systematic activism toward the full acceptance of homosexual behaviors in the church.

SoL knows who is behind this web page. It's people we've written about before who wish to remake the church and the gospel of Jesus Christ to include homosex. They have set themselves up as a light, have the ear of some leaders and put endless pressure on them, and patiently push their agenda in every possible way. They are openly against reparative or change therapy, even though they are forced to admit "shifts in sexuality can and do occur." These people could sell refrigerators to Eskimos. They have got the church stating that people who wish to change and want counseling in that direction are not to be helped in that way because these pro-gay pseudo-therapists, some of which are homosexuals themselves, insist it should not happen. They are in essence preaching there is no law, no sin, and no repentance/Savior required. For Mormons who take scripture seriously, this should sound very familiar.

Please keep in mind that what is happening here goes far beyond any issue concerning mere temptations of the flesh.  Most people don't realize that the push for homosex is only a means to an end. We are confronted here with principalities and powers, the stuff of anti-Christs. Who knew this would be the road taken to that destination? But let's finish our analysis of mormonandgay.

These people use total psychobabble to further their agenda. First it is admitted that people can change from gay to straight, then they say that it is unethical to deliberately help them do that. It makes no sense, unless you're all about pushing homosex. In addition, the therapist, a free agent in his own right, trained in making people well, is supposed to take his marching orders from the sick/troubled person who has come to them to get better--that is, in the way the sick person wants to get "better." No right or wrong, no health or sickness, no getting to the roots of problems, just make the gay person feel good about their choice of  . . . well, pornography. The whole gay thing is pornographic and pornography is its mainstay. It's a case of lunatics running the asylum. 

And another thing. If Mormon gays are never supposed to act out their sexual fantasies in any way, why does everybody need to know about them? Isn't the management of one's personal sexuality a private part of life for everyone, single or married?  Aren't gays exactly the same as other members in this way? In other words, why do these particular people feel free to make their private sexual feelings public (as seen on mormonandgay and Savannah's case) , and what is everybody else supposed to do about it? The web page does not make this clear. We can only assume that we are being instructed to treat self-proclaimed gays as more special than anyone else and never to help them overcome their miserable oversexed minset--why? Because this fits in with what the world is doing? So aren't local leaders supposed to let members of any age and any sexual orientation/gender identity (there are 92 at last count), including Savannah, tell everybody all about their heart-felt felt-needs, felt-hopes, and current sexual feelings? Why not in church? It's not even as public as the internet. Oh, unless they record what happens there and put it online. 

It appears that this page exists, at least in part, to indoctrinate the general membership into especially recognizing homosexuals, accepting perverse sexual lust as immutable, ignoring sexual abuse and emotional and mental illness, and treating open homosexuals as healthy, harmless fellow congregants/leaders. So why couldn't Savannah finish her speech? Apparently, what happened was merely a glitch. The person in authority who spoke after Savannah sure didn't correct anything she said or say anything clearly against homosexuality. How confusing is that?

Whatever a church may say or print about its ultimate disapproval of this age-old sin that got two cities burned to the ground by the Lord is completely drowned out by the "respect" and "acceptance" we are being coerced to exercise regarding a person's self-proclaimed harmful and unnatural sexual attractions. Apparently, our human relations and interests, no matter how steeped in sin we humans are, are more important than truth, our relationship with the Godhead, and the welfare of our immortal souls. Apparently homosexuality, once considered a vice so ugly that polite society would not name it, is now touted by churches as an attractive characteristic.

Yes, on this web page we are privileged to meet the gay Mormons. Apparently gay is just another interesting and world-friendly kind of Mormon we can boast we include in our midst. And activists know that if self-identified homosexuals are shown as sympathetic characters on the church's website they'll soon be fully accepted by its congregations, no questions asked.


In light of this very fair assessment of mormonandgay.lds.org (that most Mormons don't know exists or don't think through--how's that for unity and clarity?), is it any wonder that young Savannah, encouraged by the world, her parents and entourage, even the Church, was emboldened to come out in a church meeting? According to mormonandgay.lds.org, she is perfectly respectable and allowed to share her "self-determined" and not-to-be-changed sexuality. So, again, why was she cut short and told to sit down? Don't these local leaders know the Church's attitude toward gays as per this web page? If not, why not? Aren't these local leaders in big trouble for being ungracious and unkind and unChristian toward a homosexual? The only reason we can think of why they finally told her to sit down is because she was actually saying she wanted to live the gay life-style someday, as in getting "married." And yet as we've pointed out, many fine upstanding church members openly advocate for gay marriage (i.e.homosexual sexual behaviors), in public and in church, so where is the problem?

Where is our gay-affirming Church's statement denouncing this horrific and highly publicized event? Perhaps it's not there because they don't know what to say except the convenient excuse that they leave these things up to local leaders. Again, how's that for unity and clarity? If ye are not one, ye are not mine, said Jesus. Orthodox members, if they are honest and paying any sort of attention, are confused and frustrated by what is happening. Contradictions, inconsistencies, uncertainties, and equivocations abound. Morale is low, to put it mildly. If we at SoL could have our way, when Savannah, even though a tender adolescent, first began preaching lesbianism from the pulpit, every single person in that chapel would have stood up and quietly walked out. But people aren't thinking. And the reaction of the people in charge was too little, too late. Damage done.

What would have been more in keeping with mormonandgay would have been what a former bishop of ours told us he would do if the same sort of thing happened in our ward: NOTHING (except maybe have a family night about it at home with his own kids!).

Once given an inch gay activists will take a mile. And they will never stop. There are no boundaries for homosexualists, Mormon homosexualists included, or at least no boundaries except the arbitrary ones they choose. By equivocating with gay activism, churches everywhere are painting themselves into a nightmarish policy vs. doctrine corner they cannot get out of. No one in this dead-end lifestyle is helped by society pretending there is nothing wrong with it.

To borrow from and add to Roger Scruton, "The triumph of sin [and illness and insanity and sexual impurity and child sexual abuse and Godlessness and evil being called good and good evil, and every other bad thing] comes with our failure to perceive [and unequivocally oppose] it.

Why does SoL go to all this trouble to point this out? Because things only get fixed when people realize they are broken. Nobody turns to Christ unless they realize they are sinners.

The Sexualizing of Savannah

On Sunday, May 7, 2017, Savannah Ward, age 12, read a prepared speech at a Utah Valley LDS church meeting where once a month any and all congregants are invited to extemporaneously share their brief testimonies of Jesus Christ. Instead of her testimony about God's eternal plan for His children, righteousness, sin, and humble repentance through Christ's atoning sacrifice, she came out as a lesbian, a 12-year-old lesbian, mind you, and spouted gay activist talking points straight out of the gay pride handbook. Much too late, she was asked to take her seat. Savannah's coached sophistries went uncorrected. A video, secretly taken of the event, and her speech in its entirety, was posted on facebook and has gone viral.

There is so much wrong with this picture we hardly know where to begin. These are my observations from a Mormon/woman/mother's point of view.

We know from news reports on the internet how Savannah's mother feels. She is all for her daughter beginning a life of sterile and perverse lesbianism. Sex without mating, marriage without a husband, children without a father don't seem to be any sort of problem for her. But how should a mother with natural affections for her child feel when her prepubescent child is caught up in ideas about adult sexuality of a high-risk and unnatural and dead-end kind?


I am a mother whose child was exposed to homosexuality in his teens. After the initial shock, I was hit with the heartbreak of his compromised safety and innocence. His developing sexuality had obviously been messed with. I felt it was my job as a responsible parent to find out the full extent of the damage. Where and how had he gotten these wrong and dangerous ideas? Next I felt I must help my child unlearn those wrong ideas and reinforce correct attitudes about human sexuality and proper, healthy male and female roles. Nowhere do I see any of this happening in Savannah's case. How tragic! I learned that homosexuality may only be a symptom of deeper misconceptions and problems that need to be addressed as soon as possible, or worse things could happen.

Every step on my child's road to repentance and recovery was difficult and heart-wrenching. That was about 18 years ago. How our culture and environment have changed since then! It is easy to see how many parents, like Savannah's, are taking the easy road these days, especially in light of the attention, popularity, and "compassion" people get for coming out as gay or gay-affirming --- for any age! I see such parents as cruel and exploitive. Note the 2 1/2 million views this video has received so far and the overwhelming supportive and gushingly flattering comments. If that's not attention I don't know what is! (Note 6/25 Savannah's story made the New York Times, trashing the church and congratulating the girl.) How sick and how tragic.

Here are some more specific observations relative to Savannah's pronouncements. 

First, that wasn't a testimony. It was a statement from an adolescent about alternative sexuality, which sexuality happens to be highly politicized and popular in our world today. People get lots of attention and promotion of their cause for these sorts of announcements.

Second, nobody writes down their testimony to give in Fast and Testimony meeting. She says her parents helped her through multiple rough drafts. So here we have a coached, prepared, written  speech, a carefully thought-out exploitation of a sacred religious meeting for selfish reasons in order to persuade the unwitting captive audience (they didn't come to church to hear about somebody's sexuality, a child's no less) toward an opposing worldview, all about something that everyone else keeps very private, all with the encouragement of her parents. 

Third, we're not supposed to electronically record what happens in the chapel. But somebody did that and obviously planned to do it from beginning to end in order to publicize it, no matter what happened. It's as if these parents weaponized their daughter to promote homosexualism on a grand scale. At church!

Fourth, there is so much more to this story nobody is asking about or telling. Does this young girl even know what lesbian means? She says she doesn't like boys and wants to hold hands with and kiss girls. Here, a very normal innocent feeling has been wrongly sexualized. At this early stage of puberty/sexual development there is often increased affinity between same sexes (read The Diary of Anne Frank), and along with this intense feeling of closeness with one's own sex there is often great trepidation toward the opposite sex. Has everyone forgotten this? 

In my adolescence I had a best best best friend of my same sex. We were inseparable. As for boys, in sixth grade when a boy slipped me his boy scout ring in a napkin with a note asking me to go steady, I panicked, running home from school and begging my mother to help me get out of it. I was Savannah's age when I was so scared to go to a party where a boy I knew was going to ask me to dance that I stepped on a bee on purpose because I knew my foot would swell up like a balloon. Which it did. And to my even worse embarrassment the perceptive boy guessed just what I had done and why. Today much less than what is described in this paragraph supposedly makes a young girl a lesbian. What nonsense.

How have Savannah's normal relationships and sexual development been interrupted? Child abuse? Peer abuse? Pornography? Internet indoctrination? Associations? Initiated by someone older? Some TV show, book, or movie? Something at school? Gay role models? Homosexualist family members? A combination of one or more of the above? In other words, how was she introduced to lesbianism/sexualizing herself and others of her sex? Where did she get the idea?

Much to my amazement, when we were helping our son, I found out that attitudes toward sexuality are learned; sexuality is developed, in healthy or unhealthy ways. That development depends on what is modeled and taught and encouraged at critical times. According to 12-year-old Savannah, Ellen Degeneres is her hero. Is there any doubt that Savannah is being taught lesbianism in today's oversexed, gay-worshiping, youth-targeting culture? And with her parents' and all the world's help, a taste for homosexuality is being cemented in her young, yikes-boys-are-diffferent, just-being-shaped mind.

Fifth, does this young, physically undeveloped girl know anything about human sexuality or the sex act and what it is for? Does she know anything about being a wife and mother? What gender roles and attitudes toward marriage and motherhood have been modeled? She is obviously a precocious,  curious adolescent. Why are her mother and father, and why is everyone else, so eager to sexualize and exploit this vulnerable young girl in this destructive way? Why do they want to ruin her future?

By the way, notice how gay narrative has abandoned the "born-that-way" excuse? That was a phony means to a nefarious end. Nowadays it's all about authenticity, personal stories, how you feel at any particular time, and the "courage" to blab to the world all about your personal romantic/sexual feelings, whatever they happen to be at the time. Any sex, any age, any body. (Notice that straight people don't necessarily do this, but gays do.) It's incredible how adults with plenty of life experience, even church-goers, have swallowed this Godless, humanistic, new "morality" hook, line, and sinker, even to the point of sacrificing their own children on its sleazy altar.

The only time human beings should concentrate on their sexuality is in regards to relations with one's opposite sex spouse. As a wife of 43 years, mother of 7, and grandmother of 25, and simply as a female, I see any exposure to or encouragement of sexualization/lesbianism toward this tender, immature girl as a despicable form of child sexual abuse and a cruel miscarriage of  normal development into healthy and fulfilling womanhood, proper marriage, and motherhood, not to mention true Christianity. The gay lifestyle, besides being naturally sterile, oversexed, and basely pornographic, is fraught with greatly increased physical, emotional, and spiritual dangers. Shame on parents, shame on our culture, shame on everybody who has any part in encouraging it. Everyone involved in the perverse sexualization of Savannah is guilty of child sexual abuse. I guess they don't have a problem with that.

-Janice Graham

Two More Family Tales

In our previous post, A Tale of Two Families, we talked about two of the ways families deal with a gay family member. There are more nuanced reactions than full-on acceptance of homosexuality as an immutable identity or treating it like it is: a perverse, pleasureable sin that needs to be repented of, no matter what the cause. Here are a few we are seeing a lot of.

The parents, siblings, grandparents, etc. know homosexuality is perverse and wrong, and because of this or that reason are attracted to the there-must-be-an-opposiste-sex-evil-spirit-that-has-taken-over explanation. While there are such things as evil spirits, we've never heard of them taking this form in such a situation as we have today. The world is pro-gay. It's accepted, it's praised, it's paraded in the streets. No evil spirit needed!

It's true that some people repress traumatic events such as child sexual abuse. They may need special help to unearth these abuses, confront them, and gain understanding why they feel the way they do, and so be enabled to then heal and repent. Maybe people call those bad memories an evil spirit. Maybe some people believe these proclivities can be cast out and their lives are changed. We are hearing of  many people who have left homosexuality behind through exorcism. Of course the individual must have a sincere desire to leave their proclivities and behaviors behind if they are to benefit from any such help.

Be that as it may, being overtaken by an evil spirit and choosing to sin are different things. The first takes any control away from the individual; the second is completely up to the individual. Perhaps there are grey areas where harm or emotional illness is present. In our case, we know if we had suggested to our loved one when he was involved in homosexuality that he was possessed of an evil spirit, this would have greatly frightened and confused him even more. He knew exactly what he was doing and he knew it was wrong. Doesn't sound like an evil spirit unless we all have evil spirits at one time or another. Jesus cast out devils, yes, but wasn't this like any other of his miracles, as an indication of his power so he could get people's attention and teach them the gospel? We are fallen, we are human, we are tempted, and we are accountable for our thoughts and acts. It's the human condition.

Here at SoL our experience has convinced us that, as Alma says, the gospel is more powerful to change us than anything else, even the sword. It seems a bit convenient to blame an evil spirit on something so obvious and common and simple as a sin of the flesh. But evil spirit or not, repentance through Christ is the best way to change our desires, and we are promised that it works. 

Rather than being possessed of an opposite-sex evil spirit, we think that today, given the sexually permissive, pornographic, pro-gay environment we live in, it is more likely that the individual has come in close contact with homosexuality and has decided to try it out. Unless the person is truly emotionally or mentally ill, agency is the key. The "gay" person has a mind and a heart of his own. The world around him is teaching something that for any number of unfortunate reasons caught his imagination and he's going with it. It's sexual, it's pleasurable, it's exiting, it's cool, it's trendy, and apparently there are no limits. People even say he's courageous. He's getting lots of attention, at least in that way. Yeah, he's having the time of his life. So we hesitate to recommend that these people are possessed of evil spirits. Perhaps some are.

Generally speaking, we have observed that homosexuality is an age-old temptation,  a way to explain bad things, a way to be naughty, a way to escape pain, a way to be rebellious, a way to be wicked, a way to get thrills, or a way to thumb your prideful nose at God. It's not surprising at all that this is what more and more young people are choosing if you think about sexual and peer abuse, how gay-affirming our society has become, pro-gay propaganda, ubiquitous gay-recruiting resources on the internet, the easy availability and attraction of pornography enflaming sexual feelings, older gays initiating the young, pervasive social media constantly encouraging homosexualism, and the groundswell of secular humanism pervading the culture. Apparently, man has given himself super powers and needs no God.

Another reaction we're seeing is when the family knows it's wrong and, at first, says something or other against it, draws a line or two, but then gives in when the gay family member ignores their wishes and insinuates themselves and their partner(s) into every family gathering. We've seen how gays insist on long talks with their parents and siblings on the wonderfulness of their homosexuality. We've seen how they win some family members over in order to divide the family and put pressure on (bully) those resisting. We've seen how they manipulate and charm their family members into shrugging their shoulders and handing out hugs.

We call this turning a blind eye. The family knows their son or brother is behaving badly, they know this isn't who he is, but they'd rather keep the peace than enforce any rules or openly stand against it or speak up regularly in words of truth and warning. Parents and siblings and extended family want the family member around so they ignore or whitewash his lifestyle in their minds. They make his dangerous sexual choices and habits none of their business, even though it's all over facebook.

Families may even presume that their magnanimous love and acceptance of the acting-out family member will somehow, someday, bring them back to their senses. Hmm. Again, where in the scriptures does it say that this happens? Where in life does this happen? Nowhere. You can't go along with something wicked as if it isn't wicked and expect it to go away. It will only increase. And all sorts of unimagined harm and destruction will occur. What will they do when this grown gay man gets HIV/IDS? And starts recruiting his nephews? It's happened. Did you know that 92% of new HIV/AIDS cases are males age 13-25? Did you get that? Age 13-25.

This okay-we-know-it's-wrong-but-we'll-put-up-with-it-to-keep-the-family-together reaction may be the most common. Or maybe not. Maybe most people completely fool themselves. Who knows?
Either way, the emphasis is certainly not on using the gospel of  essential divine redemption for inevitable sin, which is the Lord's solution. When people use the Lord's solutions (humbly turning to Christ, repenting continually, loving truth, exercising faith in God's plan, putting God first), no matter what their wayward child does, they are comforted, guided by the Spirit, and will grow spiritually by leaps and bounds.

The point is, there are many strange roads people are taking, roads that do not lead to righteousness, goodness, and Christ. This is what happens when human relations and being nice and keeping up appearances are what you care more about than God and truth and the welfare of souls.